But, as we have been discussing, debt free money only solves the money creation issue, it is does not end Usury. No, the way forward is simply interest-free credit based units. That’s just too simple and rational, solving both money creation and Usury. We need both money and credit, so we might as well create money as interest-free credit.
https://realcurrencies.wordpress.com/2020/08/03/david-icke-speaks-the-exact-truth-about-banking-and-usury
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